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A 30-year-old man on trial for allegedly starting a blaze that led to last year\u2019s devastating Palisades fire displayed behavior similar to that of a revenge-driven arsonist, an expert testified in federal court in Los Angeles on Wednesday, June 17.<\/p>\n

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Jonathan Rinderknecht, 30, a former Uber driver and Palisades resident, is accused of starting the Jan. 1, 2025 Lachman fire that authorities believe smoldered underground before evolving into the Palisades fire a few days later. He faces several arson-related charges.<\/p>\n

Kevin Kelm, a behavioral analyst, testified Wednesday that of six arson typologies defined by the FBI\u2019s Behavioral Analysis Unit, he found Rinderknecht\u2019s behavior before and after the fire began to be consistent with arson motivated by societal revenge, leading into excitement. This type of arsonist is driven by expressive motivation, which is not goal-oriented and typically satisfies some need for the offender that only they can explain, Kelm said.<\/p>\n

\u201cThere\u2019s really this sense of powerlessness that you can\u2019t affect how the rest of the world thinks,\u201d he said of the defendant.<\/p>\n

Kelm, a consultant who previously worked as a supervisory special agent at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and with the FBI\u2019s Behavioral Analysis Unit, testified as an expert witness for the government.<\/p>\n

Kelm reviewed investigative reports, along with Rinderknecht\u2019s statement and interview, social media posts, photographs and records of his activity with the artificial intelligence program ChatGPT to analyze his behavior around the time of the fire, noting that his behavior is consistent with an increase in anger.<\/p>\n

In his analysis, Kelm looked at factors including the defendant\u2019s personal life, interests and work life, looking for commonalities that translate to the idea of power, frustration and anger. Indications of societal revenge-motivated fires include financial stress, family and other interpersonal issues, which were all present in this case, Kelm said.<\/p>\n

\u201cIn this case, it pretty much ran the gamut,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n

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Kelm pointed to Rinderknecht\u2019s ChatGPT usage as an example of the \u201cconstant theme\u201d of societal revenge in Rinderknecht\u2019s life, discussing a July 2024 instance when Rinderknecht instructed the chatbot to create an image illustrating wealth disparity, with people running away from a fire but unable to get past a gate emblazoned with dollar signs, on the other side of which were wealthy people.<\/p>\n

\u201cThe prompt instructed the AI to create an image that was representative of the disparity between the wealthy and the rest of the people and the barriers to that wealth in a symbolic manner,\u201d he said. \u201cHe became frustrated with it as his instructions became more heated, some curse words were included \u2026 the verbiage kept getting more and more frustrated and displays of anger towards the AI, towards the ChatGPT.\u201d<\/p>\n

Another instance that encapsulated Rinderknecht\u2019s focus on societal revenge was his conversations with Uber passengers, a few of whom testified earlier in the trial.<\/p>\n

\u201cIt\u2019s an escalation, it\u2019s moving from talking about it with a ChatGPT AI to talking about it with other people,\u201d he said. \u201cNow it\u2019s a belief or ideology that goes beyond what we would expect to see\u2026\u201d he said.<\/p>\n

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In analyzing behavior, Kelm also looks for cross-domain behavior, or themes translating into different sectors of a subject\u2019s life, which he also noticed in Rinderknecht\u2019s behavior. When he texted a former coworker regarding New Year\u2019s Eve plans, she asked for space and told him she had plans with her friends, which angered him. He ultimately messaged her from a second phone, where she did not appear to have his number saved, sending crude and violent messages.<\/p>\n

\u201cThat\u2019s going into another domain, as far as societal issues, now this is an interpersonal issue,\u201d Kelm said.<\/p>\n

With this type of expressive motivation, the excitement from setting the fire is often short-lived, Kelm testified.<\/p>\n

\u201cIt\u2019s back to an Uber driver, it\u2019s back to not making enough money, it\u2019s back to listening to partygoers in your backseat,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n

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\u201cHe tends to collect grievances of things that go wrong,\u201d he said of Rinderknecht.<\/p>\n

The location of a fire is also significant for behavioral analysis. Rinderknecht was in the Pacific Palisades on New Year\u2019s Eve after dropping off an Uber passenger, when he canceled his next scheduled ride and went to a viewpoint near the home he had lived in in the Palisades a few years prior, at a point where he was happier, prosecutors said. Most arsonists are familiar with the locations where they set a fire, Kelm said.<\/p>\n

\u201cThe defendant put himself at the location, one of the things he did was stop taking work, stop taking calls and put himself in this isolated location,\u201d Kelm said.<\/p>\n

Rinderknecht was familiar with the location and had described it as an emotional place for him, the lead case agent with the ATF previously testified, something else Kelm\u2019s analysis honed in on.<\/p>\n

Rinderknecht called the 911 emergency hotline 17 times to report the fire in the early hours of New Year\u2019s Day 2025, with his first several calls not going through due to poor cell service.<\/p>\n

Kelm characterized the reporting as a \u201cmethodical stroll down the hill with the cell phone making calls,\u201d inconsistent with behavior typical when people report, as was Rinderknecht\u2019s creation of a screen recording of himself calling 911 and asking ChatGPT if one would be at fault if their cigarette started a fire, Kelm testified. Kelm took into account this \u201cmemorializing\u201d of the call and ChatGPT inquiry.<\/p>\n

\u201cIt\u2019s unnecessary behavior, it\u2019s excessive, it\u2019s very inconsistent with what I would expect a normal individual to do when they are trying to report a fire and get out of harm\u2019s way,\u201d Kelm said.<\/p>\n

Staying close by after the fire reflects an \u201cinordinate\u201d amount of interest, Kelm said. As first responders arrived at the Lachman fire scene, Rinderknecht initially drove away from the area, before turning around and driving back up. Interacting with first responders in an \u201coverly gratuitous\u201d manner is often seen in arson suspects, Kelm testified. Rinderknecht said that he offered firefighters help, but there was no evidence of that besides his own claim that he did so, Kelm said.<\/p>\n

\u201cIt goes to this desire to appear helpful or not as a suspect but it didn\u2019t occur,\u201d Kelm testified.<\/p>\n

The defendant\u2019s digital history, social issues and increasing frustration with wealth disparity, climate change and other large-scale societal issues played into Kelm\u2019s analysis, which he called \u201ccomprehensive.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cIn my opinion, the defendant exhibited behaviors consistent with revenge or societal-motivated revenge fire, subsequent to that I saw some elements of excitement related fire,\u201d Kelm said of his conclusions.<\/p>\n

Rinderknecht\u2019s defense attorney, Steve Haney, cross-examined the witness, highlighting that Kelm is being paid for his testimony, which Kelm noted is standard professional practice for a consultant, and that the materials he reviewed were all provided by the government.<\/p>\n

Kelm testified that if he had felt he needed further information or material he would have requested it. Haney also sought his corroboration that many people experience social isolation, financial difficulties and distaste for their jobs, which does not make a person a criminal.<\/p>\n

Rinderknecht\u2019s trial is ongoing. He faces charges of destruction of property by means of fire, arson affecting property used in interstate commerce and timber set afire, which could result in a sentence of 45 years in prison if convicted.<\/p>\n

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